Asian American Romance: [asianamericanromance] Re: My criterion in hubby

Hi Khwan,

I think Cath just told what she know or heard. I don't think Cath is fascinated over what she had heard. It's just a topic about some cases in Thailand I guess.

Sharon

--- In asianamericanromance@yahoogroups.com, "Khwan" <khwan@...> wrote:
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> --- In asianamericanromance@yahoogroups.com, "Cath" <cat43@> wrote:
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> > "…How much do you know about Thai (or Asian) culture? Or do you just know
> > what men who go to go-go bars tell you? In Thailand family members are
> > expected to help and take care of other family members. The people with more
> > money help the family members with less money. That is what is in our
> > culture. Maybe we value family more than they do in Canada? Either way,
> > please do not insult a differnet culture if you do not know it?quot;
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> > How much do I know about Thai culture? Most of what I have been told over
> > the past year has been from men who head to the first go go bar they can
> > find as soon as they get off the plane. Thailand's sex scene is not a
> > secret. In fact, it's this sex scene that drives most men to visit Thailand
> > and stay as long as they can. The women are young, beautiful and know how
> > to treat a man so that he feels good.
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> Now here is where I scratch my head and wonder. You say you learn all this from MEN (more than 1) who travel over there in the past year?
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> Where are you meeting these men?
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> I meet many men and women who visit Thailand and they never talk about going on sex tours. I sure some do-but they are too embarressed to talk about it.
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> "Hi I'm Cath, tell me about going on sex tours in Asia"
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> > But, I am also learning about the other side of Thai culture from a number
> > of Thai women online. These women are not into the go go bar scene ?one
> > works for the government, the other works at a travel center.
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> Wow. You really are interested in Thailand. May I ask where this interest comes from? Strange for someone who never travel or live there.
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> And, I also
> > hear from these women about the women who work in the bars and the games
> > they play with foreign men. One cannot close ones eyes to the facts coming
> > from Thai women who live there, can they?
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> Again. You seem to be VERY FASCINATED by this topic. I never meet one foreign woman who want to talk about bar girls from Thailand with me.
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> Where does this interest come from?
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> And I curious to know about this other Thai women you talk about-because most Thai women have no interest in talking about bar girls.
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> > Canadians value their families as well. I am not insulting your culture ?I
> > am passing on what I have been told both by men who visit Thailand, and the
> > women who live there.
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> If you were telling the truth and knew about Thai culture you would understand that it is accepted and common for those who make more money to help out those who do not. Especially family members.
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> But all you have posted here is complaints about 1 friend who was lied to by a go-go bar girl. I say shame on your friend for being so silly to believe a bar girl.
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> > "…Seem like you an expert in Thai bar girls. May I ask again where all this
> > experience comes from?..."
> >
> > Well, I regularly correspond with one for starters. As well, a friend
> > married one (the one whose family suddenly needed supporting). And, another
> > friend married one.
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> Again. I am impressed with the numbers. How do you find a bar girl who wants to correspondence with you? If they were so bad as you say I would think they not want to waste time on someone they cannot get money from.
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> And now you claim you have TWO friends who married bar girls from Thailand and another one in a early post who had his heart broken from a bar girl.
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> It seem like you magnent to bar girls from Thailand.
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> I know many Thai women married to Americans in Califoria and none of them bar girls. Maybe there is some secret with bar girls in Thailand that Canada is the place to go?
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> > "…OK. I see. It happen 1 time to 1 person so that is the way it is with all
> > Asian women?..."
> >
> > Well, actually it happened more than once. And, I made it clear in my
> > previous post that I did not believe that was the way it was with all Asian
> > women.
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> Now you have more than 1 man with broken heart from Thai bar girls? Is the number up to 4?
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> Perhaps you didn't understand? As in all cultures, there are `good'
> > and `bad' people everywhere. Quite simple, really.
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> So why bring it up like you are expert?
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> > "…Or maybe the girl changed her mind and didn't want your friend?..."
> >
> > No, the girl did not `change her mind'. She simply moved onto the next
> > available `target' as soon as my friend went home.
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> Really? So how do you know this? Do you correspond with this girl also?
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> > "…Not everyone lucky like you who meet a man and fall in love with the first
> > man they meet?quot;
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> > How would you know how many men I've loved? How would you know whether it
> > was the first man I met, or the 50th? Quite presumptuous of you, don't you
> > think?
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> No. I just point out that the bar girl that broke your friend heart may have met someone else. You do not know. You just know what your friend told you. Or were you with him for 5 months in Thailand when he was daiting this girl? Everythign you say you heard from a man with a broken heart. Why do I thint not a witness who I would trust in court?
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> You complain that this girl changed her mind and somehow that made her a horrible person.
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> Also, very naïve. `Love' doesn't happen instantly, nor does it
> > always last. Often it's a growing together of two people, common interests,
> > perhaps a shared history, and even differences that cause two people to be
> > attracted to one another.
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> Maybe that was the problem with your friend? He meets a girl in a bar. Pays her to have sex and then is surprised and shocked that she change her mind and find someone else.
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> Love does not happen instantly-but I guess it should happen in 5 months or less?
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> >
> > "…Who knows what the real story is? Or maybe your friend was just stupid
> > and payed a bar girl lots of money and thought that she was in love with him
> > when she was just working? And maybe he is just to embarressed to admit
> > that?..."
> >
> > Definitely he paid many `working girls' to `spend time with him'. Not going
> > to argue that with you.
> >
> > "…Is it not sad that all of these educated, well financed men (they can
> > afford to travel to Asia-most Asians can not travel to USA) are sucked by
> > bar girls who have little education? And it NEVER happen that man make
> > promises to a girl and then when he leaves from his vacation, forget about
> > her. And how these men meet the girl in the first place? Did they get off
> > the airplane, get hit on the head and kidnapped and taken to go-go bar? They
> > went looking for sex and they got it and then they cry when they not get
> > more? If you go to strip club-I not think you can expect to get a girlfriend
> > or dating?quot;
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> > It is my understanding ?from my Thai friend who works in the travel
> > industry ?that it is almost impossible for Thai people to travel outside of
> > their own country. Not just because of finances, but also because the
> > government does not allow it. Correct me if I've misunderstood.
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> California has 120,000 Thai people. So I think your information is a little wrong.
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> But what does that say about your source?
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> If someone in the travel industry does not know that the Thai government does not stop people from traveling, how can you be sure they know what they are talking about when it comes to romance with bar girls?
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> And your story is just strange. If the Thai government did not allow travel for Thai people-why would your "friend" be working in the travel industry? She would have no business.
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> It strange to me that you are so fascinated with bar girls in Thailand that you can talk so much about them-but you do not know simple things like the government in Thailand. It even more strange coming from a woman. I understand a man who is girl crazy might only be interested in bar girls. By why are you?
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> > Yes, it is sad that some Thai women choose to work in bars. It is sad that
> > they provide sex to strangers. It is sad that men from other countries take
> > advantage of that.
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> Yes. And of course. This does not happen any where else in the world.
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> > Again, Thailand is well-known around the world for its sex industry ?> > Pattya, for one. One could argue whether or not Thailand created it so the
> > tourists would come, or if the tourists demanded it so it was created. Did
> > the chicken or the egg come first?
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> I not sure what any of this has to do with disrepecting women like Mike did. But OK. You know about Pattya as a resort city.
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> > And, yes you can find a wife in a strip club ?I know of a number of men
> > here in Canada who married their favourite bar girls from Thailand.
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> Same I say above. There must be something about you that is magnet for people who date and marry bar girls.
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> > "…So why bring it up then for your example about bar girls? What about the
> > prostitutes in Canada? Are they all honest? They don't men's money? Or steal
> > for drugs? Or do anything else bad? They are all just wonderful human beings
> > and when they meet men they marry them and make wonderful wives?..."
> >
> > Prostitutes in Canada are mostly drug-addicted, lying, thieving women. Just
> > like anywhere else. They've had bad histories growing up, or found
> > themselves in a desperate situation as adults. Nobody said they were
> > wonderful human beings ?although I do believe that all people are basically
> > good and true ?sometimes situations cause them to behave in less than
> > perfect ways. Sometimes you just have to do what you have to do.
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> So then why come here and complain about Thai bar girls when they are not different than any other girl who works for money for sex?
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> It sound like you have chip on shoulder and want to just complain.
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> >
> > "…And, millionaires in the US and in Canada are by no means COMMON. If only
> > > it were true?quot;
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> > And I still not sure what this means?
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> > It means that foreigners ?from the US and from Canada ?are rarely
> > millionaires. We work, we pay our mortgage, we put food on the table, etc ?> > but we generally are just making it. And, when I said if only it were true,
> > I meant just that ?if only it were common ?maybe I'd even be one of those
> > millionaires :-)
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> > Wonderful, kind, intelligent gentlemen (rich or poor) are also rare. Does
> > that mean that women should settle for jerks because it hard to find a kind
> > and intelligent gentleman in this world?
> >
> > I disagree with you. There are many wonderful, kind and intelligent men out
> > there. You just have to be open to see them.
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> That interesting. Because according to you. So many men you know travel to Asia as sex tourists. These are your friends. So I guess you can still be a wonderful man and travel to Asia to pay women to have sex with?
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> Maybe you think this makes a wonderful man. But most women I know would not want to date or marry this kind of guy.
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> They're someone's brother,
> > the guy next door, the mechanic down the road, the teacher that teaches in
> > the high school, your doctor, your garbageman, the clerk at the grocery
> > store. Men here in Canada I find to be friendly, warm, humorous,
> > intelligent and kind ?just like anywhere else in the world. Again,
> > everywhere you will find a mixture of people ?some good, some bad, some in
> > between.
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> And most travel to Thailand for sex?
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> >
> > "…So what are men that pay for sex and then want to marry the girls
> > called?..."
> >
> > They're called men. All men love sex. It's their basic human nature :-)
> > Thank goodness for that haha. So what if they pay a bar girl for sex and
> > then fall in love and want to marry the girl? Do men not fall in love as
> > well?
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> OK. So men who travel to other countries to have sex with women who come from poverty and have no money are good. But a woman who wants a man to be successful and make money so he can provide for his family is a "whore"?
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> Interesting.
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> >
> > "…So what are men who want to marry a girl only for her looks or because she
> > will listen to him and take care of his house like a maid called?..."
> >
> > Men are visual creatures ?as can women be ?obviously the first thing they
> > will notice is a woman's looks. Why is that so strange? But no man I know
> > would marry one just for her looks! That's ridiculous.
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> Again. It OK for man to want a woman for her looks but not OK for a woman to want a man who is financially successful?
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> > What's wrong with a man wanting his woman to listen to him? Does not a wife
> > want her husband to listen to her? And, while I do realize it's considered
> > quite old-fashioned these days, what's wrong with a wife taking care of the
> > house? Or, cooking his meals? Frankly, I enjoy it. I also run our office,
> > and enjoy pampering my man ?back rubs, foot rubs, bringing him coffee in
> > bed, and lots of sex :-)
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> You have time for all this AND sending emails to bar girls in Thailand and talking with men who go on sex tours to Asia? I wish I had all this time.
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> You wrote: "I am not usually so cynical ?but this whole discussion has hit a raw spot for me. Personal."
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> Why is it "personal"? If you are happy and married (or in a relationship) why is it personal to you about Thai bar girls?
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> Maybe you should focus on the happyness you have with your man and spend a little less time worry about bar girls in Thailand?
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> > I never realized a simple discussion could bring the claws out so readily or
> > the defensiveness…hmmm, interesting, really.
> >
> > Cath
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> When you join a Group and immmediately start attacting people, should you be surprised that people question your motives or what you say?
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> KHWAN
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